*+**** Lloyd----Rieber entered ITDE_8001_T28_20144_200420_Room1. Sunday, December 7, 2003 7:00pm
*+**** Margaret--A--Winter entered ITDE_8001_T28_20144_200420_Room1. Sunday, December 7, 2003 7:00pm
Lloyd --Rieber>>Hi Margaret
Margaret A--Winter>>Hi Dr. Rieber
*+**** Jay--A--Little entered ITDE_8001_T28_20144_200420_Room1. Sunday, December 7, 2003 7:00pm
Jay A--Little>>hello
Margaret A--Winter>>Hope your weather is beeter than ours
Margaret A--Winter>>Hi Jay
Jay A--Little>>its cold here
Jay A--Little>>i had to wear a long sleeve shirt
Margaret A--Winter>>We have enough snow to make snowmen
Lloyd --Rieber>>I forget, where do you live Margaret?
Margaret A--Winter>>That's tough Jay :)
Margaret A--Winter>>Indiana
*+**** Kathleen--Keller entered ITDE_8001_T28_20144_200420_Room1. Sunday, December 7, 2003 7:02pm
Margaret A--Winter>>Hi Kathleen
Lloyd --Rieber>>Well, it's been only a little chilly here in Georgia.
Kathleen Keller>>Hi Margaret!!
Lloyd --Rieber>>Today actually was quite nice -- 53 and sunny (hate to rub it in!)
*+**** Marjorie--Rickard entered ITDE_8001_T28_20144_200420_Room1. Sunday, December 7, 2003 7:03pm
Kathleen Keller>>Beautiful here today - I sat in the garage and got sun while I finished our assignment assessments-
Margaret A--Winter>>I did enjoy the Florida weather over Thanksgiving
Kathleen Keller>>Dawn and Rich should be here soon - we've been on the phone quite a bit
Lloyd --Rieber>>Well, although I'm sure a few more might join us, let's get started.
Lloyd --Rieber>>As mentioned in my email, I'm really here to answer questions....
Lloyd --Rieber>>So, go ahead and shoot.... :)
Kathleen Keller>>I need some help finding things
Lloyd --Rieber>>Such as?
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Jay A--Little>>well i think i asked enough of them last week!
Jay A--Little>>lol
Kathleen Keller>>like the suggeted questions that we should address duing facilitating the discussion
Dawn M--Caruso>>Hello everyone
Margaret A--Winter>>Hi Dawn
Lloyd --Rieber>>Kathleen -- did you see the email I sent to everyone yesterday afternoon? I spelled out the location of these there.
Jay A--Little>>yes
Kathleen Keller>>I know I saw it - just am behind and also can not access the link for the objectives (additional reading)
Lloyd --Rieber>>Actually, the link to objectives was broken, but I emailed Todd and....
Lloyd --Rieber>>... and he emailed me back today and said he fixed it. (I haven't confirmed this.)
Dawn M--Caruso>>Thanks for the e-mail... I couldn't find it either.
Kathleen Keller>>Thanks - I'll check - been doing the assignment and defragging - media selection link was giving us an error too...
Lloyd --Rieber>>Just email me if you find any broken links ... many of these resources were provided by Todd (many thanks to him).
Kathleen Keller>>Our group is so "distant" that we are having a difficult time coordinating who does what - just an FYI - a real challenge
Lloyd --Rieber>>And he's been very quick in responding to questions or requests
Lloyd --Rieber>>Yes, I know that working in a team at a distance is a challenge. Believe me, I am definitely taking this into consideration.
Kathleen Keller>>I've just posted our assignment - it was fun but I hope the level of detail is sufficient
Lloyd --Rieber>>Perhaps we should find a way to share strategies for dealing with this challenge?
Lloyd --Rieber>>I look forward to reviewing it.
Lloyd --Rieber>>As I hope you all can see, my strategy is to give feedback with the opportunity to make revisions.
Marjorie Rickard>>The examples you sent seem to be a bit different than our assignments. Is there an example we could look at that more closely resembles what we need to do?
Lloyd --Rieber>>I'm trying to make this a good, formative experience, without anything "punitive".
Kathleen Keller>>We're working on one right now - we are going to talk every week at a mimimum
Margaret A--Winter>>Your feedback has helped alot
Lloyd --Rieber>>About examples.....
Lloyd --Rieber>>I asked Todd if he had any past Nova project archived and he said he did not.
Lloyd --Rieber>>Yes, the UGA "version" of this course does have different looking assignments. That's because....
Lloyd --Rieber>>...they are all generated by different instructors.
Dawn M--Caruso>>Just to support Kathleen... we are finding it VITAL to meet every couple of days to complete these assignments
Lloyd --Rieber>>We're using the Nova versions and these are being used by the other clusters.
Marjorie Rickard>>How does the Macro, Micro match up with what we are doing?
Lloyd --Rieber>>But, ID is ID, so different looking examples should help broaden your conceptions of the various techniques.
Lloyd --Rieber>>Macro is all about what to teach -- Assignment 1 and 2
Lloyd --Rieber>>Micro is all about "how to teach" -- this really begins with Assignment 3.
Marjorie Rickard>>ok thanks
Kathleen Keller>>Also, the design can be tailored to any instructional medium - we thought there would be only one logical delivery context for this course - and Drew and Carey have of cousre, addressed all media -
Lloyd --Rieber>>But, I know it would be helpful if some "nova examples" were available. Unfortunately, they don't appear to be.
Dawn M--Caruso>>I may be jumping ahead but, is Assignment 4 due Jan 3 and Assignment 5 due in December?
Lloyd --Rieber>>Yes, Kathleen, any media can be used here.
Kathleen Keller>>Maybe we can submit a few at the conclusion of this course - we are all learning quite a bit
Lloyd --Rieber>>It is true that print materials are being encouraged, though because....
Lloyd --Rieber>>...this is a medium within which most of us have experience.
Jay A--Little>>each group has a different looking flowchart
Lloyd --Rieber>>Hopefully, our "team pages" will provide good examples for other.
Lloyd --Rieber>>And, remember, to check out each other's work as "ongoing examples"!
Lloyd --Rieber>>Yes, Jay, you're right.
Kathleen Keller>>Does anybody know that we are developing our course to the Nova 28 target audience - and we hope to use you all for our formative evaluation?
Lloyd --Rieber>>Even the "experts" of ID use different kinds of flow charts.
Jay A--Little>>are they ok?
Jay A--Little>>oh, ok
Lloyd --Rieber>>I "grew up" on the Gagne, Briggs, and Wager type of flow charting....
Lloyd --Rieber>>A vertical style, as compared to DCC's horizontal style.
Lloyd --Rieber>>I really don't care what style people use though....
Lloyd --Rieber>>...just so it makes good sense.
Jay A--Little>>good
Lloyd --Rieber>>I hope you can 'recruit' some folks Kathleen!
Kathleen Keller>>so, you are open to new approaches...?
Lloyd --Rieber>>If you don't, I'll be teaching ID here at UGA in the Spring, so....
Lloyd --Rieber>>perhaps some of those students at the beginning of the term would be interested in participating in the field tests.
Kathleen Keller>> I was hoping to use our cluster for the formative eval
Lloyd --Rieber>>Well, again, I hope you get some volunteers.
Lloyd --Rieber>>new approaches to flow charting?
Dawn M--Caruso>>Kathleen, we have a great cluster... I'm sure we will find volunteers.
Kathleen Keller>>flow charts in flash - :o)
Lloyd --Rieber>>(If I ever miss questions while I'm typing answers to other questions, just repeat them.)
Lloyd --Rieber>>Flow charts in Flash? COOL!!
Kathleen Keller>>Dawn - you be our cheerleader!
Dawn M--Caruso>>Ok!!!!! I'll send out an e-mail tonight. :o)
Kathleen Keller>>so, does anybody have a good recommendation on how to build the lesson before the holidays?
Lloyd --Rieber>>We all need some cheerleading now and then! :)
Lloyd --Rieber>>I recommend that each team member takes charge of designing at least one lesson, for the experience
Kathleen Keller>>Dawn was a "coach" for ten + years after she hung up the pom poms!
Kathleen Keller>>Are we going to be graded as a group or individually?
Lloyd --Rieber>>I played baseball, not football, in HS, so we didn't have cheerleaders. :(
Lloyd --Rieber>>The assignments are graded according to how they are completed -- Assignment 1 and 6 is individual and the rest are group-based.
Lloyd --Rieber>>(And, of course, there are the "other" stuff, such as the discussions.)
Dawn M--Caruso>>What is the suggested length of the lesson? Our group has A LOT of info
Lloyd --Rieber>>I always suggest designing a lesson in terms of "learner time", not content.
Lloyd --Rieber>>A good target is 30 minutes per lesson, but this is just very general.
Lloyd --Rieber>>A lot also depends on context and organization of the content, of course.
Dawn M--Caruso>>Thanks, I just wanted an idea
Lloyd --Rieber>>Other questions?
Dawn M--Caruso>>Yes...
Kathleen Keller>>...if we design separately, it is tough - our group is going through rough water because we all have a vision of what we should be doing and they are all different - for example, a three hour course is what it states in the lesson guide... quite a few manhours to do a 3 hour online lesson... at work we dedicate 150 manhours per instutional hour to a static page lessonhours
Lloyd --Rieber>>Hmm, I definitely do NOT recommend designing 3 hours of lessons!
Lloyd --Rieber>>I usually suggest that each team should design as many lessons as there are team members.
Dawn M--Caruso>>Is Assignment 4 due in Jan and Assignment 5 due in December, or did I read it incorrectly?
Lloyd --Rieber>>I'll review the Nova guidelines to see if my rule of thumb violates their policies, but I doubt it will.
Lloyd --Rieber>>There are two parts to Assignment 5....
Lloyd --Rieber>>5a is the planning of the formative evaluation.
Lloyd --Rieber>>5b is the implementation of the formative evaluation.
Lloyd --Rieber>>See the difference?
Dawn M--Caruso>>Oh, ok... I get it. Sorry.
Kathleen Keller>>and we need to incorporate dynamic content in our group - we have an assortment of technology - and the competencies of a well balanced courseware team -
Lloyd --Rieber>>My suggestion, Kathleen, is to be careful when it comes to development....
Lloyd --Rieber>>A team could definitely get very bogged down if you try to use more sophisticated technologies, such as Flash.
Lloyd --Rieber>>Again, it's recommended that you keep to print based materials. It's your call, of course.
Lloyd --Rieber>>I think it's easy to overshoot the expectations of this Nova course.
Lloyd --Rieber>>Focus on learning the process though the development of this project.
Dawn M--Caruso>>I thought that since we are in IT; it would be beneficial for us to use technologies??
Lloyd --Rieber>>But, you don't have much time to do the kind of development you probably want to do.
Lloyd --Rieber>>Yes, I agree Dawn. But you just don't have that kind of time.
Dawn M--Caruso>>I understand your point of view :o)
Lloyd --Rieber>>In the multimedia development courses we teach here at UGA, students take an entire semester to develop an individual MM project that lasts only 30 minutes
Dawn M--Caruso>>
Lloyd --Rieber>>And, they do these MM projects only after taking the ID course.
Lloyd --Rieber>>Keep things simple here
Kathleen Keller>>print-based is not going to get us jobs or keep our jobs in industry in the future
Lloyd --Rieber>>with a strong focus on the ID _process_
Margaret A--Winter>>So its more the process of how you want it
Lloyd --Rieber>>But this is an ID course, not a multimedia development course.
Lloyd --Rieber>>It would be unreasonable for this course to expect you all to know how to do MM development.
Lloyd --Rieber>>Of course, some of you may have those skills already....
Lloyd --Rieber>>so again, it's perfectly OK to use those skills here if you wish.
Marjorie Rickard>>Thank you, I for one would be a little lost
Dawn M--Caruso>>When are we going to be expected to do an MM Development?
Lloyd --Rieber>>Will you all take any MM development courses as part of your Nova curriculum?
Lloyd --Rieber>>Dawn, I think we have the same question! :)
Dawn M--Caruso>>I'm not sure... does anyone know????
Lloyd --Rieber>>While we are on this topic....
Lloyd --Rieber>>I always recommend to my ID students that they should feel free to take some risk when it comes to their lesson development.
Lloyd --Rieber>>By this I mean....
Kathleen Keller>>If we can develop the best online course in ITDE history, we are going to press on - we have to - it is our future and that's why we're here... what say 28?
Lloyd --Rieber>>....you might want to try using video, for example, but know that I won't expect anything professional.
Kathleen Keller>>Marjorie- drive up here and I'll help you!
Lloyd --Rieber>>(I'm just using video as an example ... the medium has to make sense.)
Dawn M--Caruso>>I agree, Kathleen
Marjorie Rickard>>I just might have to come for a mm lesson
Dawn M--Caruso>>I must admit that our group will be using a variety of MM in our lesson
Lloyd --Rieber>>Hey, if you want to get a quick introduction to Flash via some short videos I made, then....
Lloyd --Rieber>>go to NowhereRoad.com!
Lloyd --Rieber>>Again, feel free to 'go for it'!
Lloyd --Rieber>>But, if you get bogged down, please remember to revert to media that you can develop prototypes quickly in.
Lloyd --Rieber>>And, it's a good idea to just think "prototype" for this project.
Dawn M--Caruso>>I know that this maybe off topic, but are we still able to post for discussions for Chap 5-8?
Lloyd --Rieber>>Yes, this is the last week for chapters 5-8.
Lloyd --Rieber>>The next set begins next weekend.
Dawn M--Caruso>>Okay, thanks. :o)
Kathleen Keller>>I'll be glad to assist - at this juncture, we have claerly identified who has the ID and who has technology experience - I'd like to make ur cluster the poster child for ITDE and help everyone come out of this with a real confidence to move into the ID world with the best of them - we are not 21 and need to keeep our marketability strong in the job market
Kathleen Keller>>I am tired - can you tell from these funny words...? sorry
Dawn M--Caruso>>Very true.
Marjorie Rickard>>Thanks Kathleen, I'll take you up on your offer!
Lloyd --Rieber>>That sounds really great, but are you suggesting assisting others?
Kathleen Keller>>You bet - that's our goal and we are all still here
Dawn M--Caruso>>Well, Ladies and Gentlemen... I'm going to have to leave this very informative chat. I need to feed the twins and baby.
Kathleen Keller>> we are teachers right?
Lloyd --Rieber>>That's very gracious of you
Dawn M--Caruso>>Everyone have a good week!! :o)
Kathleen Keller>>Drive up Marjorie and bring Dawn and Michele with you!
Lloyd --Rieber>>Bye Dawn
Marjorie Rickard>>you too
Dawn M--Caruso>>BYE
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Lloyd --Rieber>>Other questions?
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Jay A--Little>>not now
Jay A--Little>>i will later
Jay A--Little>>lol
Kathleen Keller>>So, can I be forgiven for being the production and not the discussion for the last month?
Lloyd --Rieber>>I thought this was a very informative chat! We covered a lot of ground, thanks to your questions
Margaret A--Winter>>Thank you for taking the time to help us
Jay A--Little>>thank u
Lloyd --Rieber>>:) I'm not sure what you mean Kathleen
Marjorie Rickard>>Thanks
Lloyd --Rieber>>Hey, I heard a good joke.... wanna hear it before you leave?
Marjorie Rickard>>yes, would love to
Lloyd --Rieber>>What's the difference between ignorance and apathy?
Lloyd --Rieber>>I don't know and I don't care.
Jay A--Little>>lol
Margaret A--Winter>>:)
Marjorie Rickard>>GOOD ONE
Lloyd --Rieber>>:)
Jay A--Little>>thats good
Jay A--Little>>i just told my wife
Kathleen Keller>>:o)
Lloyd --Rieber>>Well, if there are no more questions, feel free to log off when ready... I'll hang around for a bit longer
Lloyd --Rieber>>I'll also post the transcript of this chat before I go home tonight
Jay A--Little>>ok
Jay A--Little>>thanks
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Kathleen Keller>>I appreciate your expertise - real ID - the first we have seen since the course started -
Lloyd --Rieber>>Anything else at this point?
Lloyd --Rieber>>Have a great evening!
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